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 Wave Glider |
SR Lengths "Here's the link" |
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Posts: 243 (12/20/07 01:17:02) |
Rich, knowing that there are some 8'4" SR's out there, and having had one myself for a short time, will you still make them that length? And if
so, would these specs be exact, or close for that length: 8'4" x 17 1/2" x 22 5/8" x 17 3/4" x 3 1/4"?
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Posts: 3467 (12/20/07 16:51:50) Administrator |
OK, here is a good exercise for everyone interested in surfboard design. Look at the size charts. Notice how each time the board lengthens certain numbers
graduate in a proportionate amount. And others hold. But when the length gets way away from the posted size charts, those numbers change slightly. Is Wave
Glider correct? If not, what should the numbers be for an 8-4 Spherical Revolver?
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joeblackuz |
dims for 8'4" SR | ||
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Posts: 53 (12/20/07 17:22:11) |
Regis Ill take
8' 4" x 16 3/4" x 22 7/8" x 15 1/2" x 3 1/4" for my final answer. |
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Wave Glider |
8'4" SR Specs | ||
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Posts: 245 (12/20/07 18:13:54) |
These were the "exact" numbers taken from the board. The only number I would question is the tail width, unless the person who ordered the board
requested it be 17 3/4", of which does seem a tad wide, and unless I read the number wrong since it was slightly faded.
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Posts: 536 (12/20/07 20:17:45) |
I'm going to guess that Gary's board was customized.
My guesstimate, just off the progression and constancy of numbers is: 16 3/4, 22 7/8, 15 1/2, 3 1/8 However, with the added width the plan shape is starting to get too rounded to maintain the intended characteristics and I would say the nose and tail would have to be widened a tad at this length, perhaps to 17 and 15 3/4. Or drop the center width to 22 3/4 and increase thickness a hair to 3 3/16. That was fun! Do we win a prize for the most accurate?
Let me explain something to you. Um, I am not "Mr. Lebowski". You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know,
that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
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Posts: 3468 (12/20/07 22:10:33) Administrator |
Gary,
Our widest tailed board is the 19. A 10-6 tail on that board is 16 5/8. You are reading something wrong. |
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Rich Harbour |
Correct the mistakes | ||
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Posts: 3470 (12/21/07 08:14:46) Administrator |
There are two errors on the Spherical Revolver size chart. Using the logical progression of numbers that flow throughout the rest of the chart, where are the
mistakes and what is the answer to Wave Glider's question?
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boardhound |
I think I got it | ||
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Posts: 493 (12/21/07 10:07:58) |
8'4" board
Nose constant 15-1/2" width shold be at 23-5/8 tail constant at 15-1/2 thickness 3-1/8 Wow we ar all being sent to school here. Thanks for the lesson Rich
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Dinkum |
Errors in SR chart | ||
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Posts: 537 (12/21/07 15:09:01) |
Rich,
I spot three sizing errors if all were to be done in a linear, mathematical fashion: 1. 6-10 The thickness should be 2 9/16 not 2 5/8 (it is the same as the 7-0 in the chart) 2. 7-4 The width should be 21 7/8 not 22 7/8 3. 8-0 The width should be 22 3/8 not 22 1/2 #3 changes my 8-4 numbers to: N: 16 3/4 C: 22 5/8 T: 15 1/2 Th: 3 1/8 I still wonder about needing to increase the nose and tail width a tad, rather than keeping them constant, at this length to keep the shape within the intended design concept...
Let me explain something to you. Um, I am not "Mr. Lebowski". You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know,
that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
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Posts: 3471 (12/21/07 16:35:18) Administrator |
Whoops! Dinkum, You have one wrong number.
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Dinkum |
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Posts: 538 (12/22/07 20:58:52) |
That kind of oversight might keep toes away from the nose...
(Edited the dims post to reflect correction)
Let me explain something to you. Um, I am not "Mr. Lebowski". You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know,
that or, uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
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Rich Harbour |
And the winner is...... | ||
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Posts: 3472 (12/22/07 21:27:22) Administrator |
Dinkum
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SURFBEAR |
8'4" SR | ||
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Posts: 6 (12/22/07 23:25:36) |
LOOKS LIKE THE PROGRESSION PREVIOUSLY MISSING WAS THE WIDTH. 16 3/4, 22 3/4, 15 1/2, 3 1/8
THE ACTUAL 8' 4" SR IN QUESTION IS IN MY SHED. I WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THE ACTUAL NUMBERS AS WHAT I WROTE DOWN IN A HURRY LOOK TO BE INCORRECT. THE ACTUAL RECORDED DIMENSIONS ON THE BOARD ARE QUITE FUZZY. I BELIEVE WAVE GLIDER GOT SOME OF THE NUMBERS CORRECT. 17 3/4", 22 5/8"MP, (TAIL - NEED TO RE-CHECK, APPEARS TO BE) 15 9/16"T, 3 1/4" (MAYBE 3 1/  I WILL DOUBLE CHECK BEFORE GIVE OUT THE FINAL ACTUAL DIMENSIONS.
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Posts: 3473 (12/23/07 09:09:15) Administrator |
I seriously doubt that an even custom SR would have a nose or tail over 17". There simply is no 17 3/4 measurement on that board. The 15 9/16" tail
sounds acceptable. The 22 5/8" width is right on and 3 1/8 is the proper thickness. Try to actually measure in addition to deciphering the fuzzy writing
on the board.
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Wave Glider |
8'4" SR Specs | ||
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Posts: 246 (12/23/07 12:18:46) |
The numbers are set there under the glass job. If I still had the board, I would take a picture of them and post it. But believe me when I say that there
"are" one or two 17" measurements on this board. Albiet I have miss-read some of the fractional numbers because they are fuzzy, when I posted
the specs to sell the board, that was what I remember seeing. SURFBEAR will be the one to justify the actual numbers if and when he gets time, and they are
still clear enough to read.
If it makes any difference, the board has the 45 year Harbour logo on it too.
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Rich Harbour |
I never would approve of this. | ||
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Posts: 3475 (12/23/07 21:49:45) Administrator |
I hope everyone that ever has tried to order a model Harbour Surfboard and tried to tweak some of the dimensions can see why I do not want to ever do this.
There is no way a true 8-4 Spherical Revolver would ever have a tail more than 15 9/16 and the nose would
never be more than 16 7/8.
And, when you asked will I make an 8-4 Spherical Revolver with the following dimensions: 17 1/2" x 22 5/8" x 17 3/4" x 3 1/4", the answer is absolutely not. I would not put an SR logo on a board that is not an SR.
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Wave Glider |
I never asked for those dimensions on an 8'4" SR. | ||
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Posts: 248 (12/23/07 23:39:58) |
"Rich, knowing that there are some 8'4" SR's out there, and having had one myself for a short time, will you still make them that
length?"
The 8'4" length only was the important part of the question. "And if so, would these specs be exact, or close for that length: 8'4" x 17 1/2" x 22 5/8" x 17 3/4" x 3 1/4"? The specs were the part of the question of which I didn't know of, since these were what I "thought" I read to be the correct numbers. And having shaped only one board in my life a long time ago, I thought that I would give you these numbers only to varify if they were correct or not. Obviously I made a mistake. Thanks, Gary
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Rich Harbour |
Get me the measurements. | ||
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Posts: 3476 (12/24/07 10:14:50) Administrator |
Surfbear,
I looked the original order up, a 2004 8-4 Spherical Revolver. Aside from the "Max Thickness" request, it has no extraordinary dimensional demands. In fact, the nose, width, and tail say "std.", which means standard. Wave Glider says, "that there "are" one or two 17" measurements on this board. Albiet I have miss-read some of the fractional numbers because they are fuzzy, when I posted the specs to sell the board, that was what I remember seeing." I see no reason for Tim to make the nose 17", although it is a slim possibility. This may be the number Wave Glider saw. Harbour Surfboards has NEVER made (Fish Designs excluded) an 8-4 with a tail more than 16 1/2". And I doubt that there is a 15 ¾" tail out there. In fact I can say with confidence that we have never made the tail on ANY surfboard (this does not include SUP's) over 17" wide. That is just not a tail width. I give this information not as a criticism of anyone, but in an attempt to educate people. So please take a tape measure to it. On the bottom, mark with a pencil exactly 12" from the board's end. Then, vary carefully measure the board's width at that pencil mark. Be sure to look straight down on the measurement, and make sure you are standing behind the board and looking at the upper edge of the tape measure. I would like to know the board's measurements. Thanks for your efforts.
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SURFBEAR |
Another look and a measure | ||
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Posts: 7 (12/24/07 13:23:24) |
Rich,
I did my best as described in your previous post. Here are the facts - you are both right...? Board #26427 for Terence Anderson The tail width (by my measurement) is 15 5/8"! The nose width is 17 1/2" (center width at 4'2" measures 22 3/4") The stringer shows 17 1/2", 22 ?", 171/2". 3 1/4" The nose tail and thickness are pretty clear and legible. I believe the wide point is what is actually measured but no skills or knowledge of where that actually occurs. That is the reality as best I can measure and describe it. |
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SURFBEAR |
Nose measurement | ||
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Posts: 8 (12/24/07 13:32:44) |
Rich,
I have always left these details for the shapers but to accurately measure the nose width, would it be best to measure without the rocker? I expect this would make a small difference in the final outcome but the curve does add some length to the 12" down from the top measurement, correct? This nose may still measure greater than expected however my accuracy is certainly in question. thanks |
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SURFBEAR |
Nose measurement | ||
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Posts: 9 (12/24/07 13:33:14) |
Rich,
I have always left these details for the shapers but to accurately measure the nose width, would it be best to measure without the rocker? I expect this would make a small difference in the final outcome but the curve does add some length to the 12" down from the top measurement, correct? This nose may still measure greater than expected however my accuracy is certainly in question. thanks |
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